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General Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: iostream212 on January 05, 2014, 03:56:56 pm

Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iostream212 on January 05, 2014, 03:56:56 pm
In response to the official press release, I cast my vote for open sourcing it. May it continue to grow in the capable hands of those who love it. Good luck John in your future endeavors and thank you for the wonderful ride. I have the utmost respect for you and the work you have done here.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: elehuy on January 05, 2014, 04:38:05 pm
I also think open source is a nice option.
CodeCore might be dead but Elve could go on.

Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: bpwwer on January 05, 2014, 05:49:54 pm
It's unfortunate that John doesn't have to the time to continue development of Elve.  Of all the systems I've used, I found it to be the easiest to create drivers for and the GUI designer is one of the best. 

Open sourcing would be one way to keep Elve alive. I'm sure there's enough of us here that would be willing to dedicate some time to maintaining it.

Another option would be release the code for community development but keep a non-open source license on it.  That way no one else could legally take the code and try and profit from it.

I'm personally curious what the 2.0 beta needs to be considered a gold release.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Automate on January 05, 2014, 07:49:28 pm
As a developer of http://www.opensourceautomation.com (http://www.opensourceautomation.com), which is also built on .NET, I sure would like to see the code opened.  If nothing else, we could use the code from many of the drivers to create more plugins for Open Source Automation.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: samgreco on January 05, 2014, 09:10:01 pm
I for one would love to see this go Open Source.  I think that home automation is still such a small market niche, that it is almost impossible to make a living on it's software.  But there is so much talent out there doing HA, that a real quality base like this could go a very long way.  And as Automate posted, it could be great to combine it with other OSS stuff already out there.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on January 06, 2014, 08:55:59 pm
+1 for open Source.
I am really dissapointed to see Elve finish. I have been using it for a number of years and found it to be without equal. I am a bit concerned as I use it at work to control a number of Elk M1 units and now I have no way of resetting the licence should something happen. Maybe it is time to allow existing users to reset their own Licences??
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: John Hughes on January 06, 2014, 09:23:17 pm
+1 for open Source.
I am really dissapointed to see Elve finish. I have been using it for a number of years and found it to be without equal. I am a bit concerned as I use it at work to control a number of Elk M1 units and now I have no way of resetting the licence should something happen. Maybe it is time to allow existing users to reset their own Licences??
The licensing servers are still operating and will continue to do so until the next phase of Elve begins. Regardless of what direction Elve takes, existing customers will not be immediately stranded and a graceful transition will be attempted.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on January 06, 2014, 09:41:10 pm
Great to hear John.
Thank you for replying.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: superjer2000 on January 07, 2014, 07:38:04 pm
John, just a quick note to comment in how talented you are and what a great product Elve is. It's too bad it didn't turn out to be your path to riches as it truly is the best from what I have seen.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iostream212 on January 08, 2014, 10:00:43 am
+1 superjer2000,
I just got done checking out the 'competition', and there is no competition. Elve is in a league of its own. What can we do to keep this alive? Lets start a fundraiser to save it! I pledge $1000.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: bpwwer on January 08, 2014, 11:17:24 am
Agree with Elve being the best.  I posted over on Cocoontech why I won't be switching any time soon.

I think there's only a few things that really need to happen to keep Elve alive:

1) New user's need a way to install and run it. Ideally this would be a 2.0 version without the need for a license key.

2) A driver repository of some sort.  I'd be willing to host one if it's not possible to set something up here.  It could be as simple as a list of developer name/email and a link to the driver source/binary on github or something similar.

3) This forum needs to continue and provide support to new users.  iostream212 has been providing more help than anyone (other than John). The rest of us need to be more proactive here.

To offset the cost of the domain/hosting, John could accept donations. 
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Deane Johnson on January 08, 2014, 03:58:42 pm
I'm sure John is gathering his thoughts on these suggestions.  It may be that he wants to be totally out of it, including the forum.  Only time will tell.

I share the view that there is no good alternative to Elve.  John created an excellent concept for home automation software and it's a crime to have it disappear.

I'm going to hang in there until the end in hopes someone or something comes along to take it over and continue the development.

I agree that it's necessary that users, especially those with skills and suggestions, get on the forum and participate.  It's a perfect time for the "community" to become more active.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on January 09, 2014, 01:21:46 pm
I agree guys, I for one will try to become more active and will try to put some new posts do people can see what is possible with this software.
Also mabye if we opened up the user showcase to the public it would attract more interest?
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: samgreco on January 09, 2014, 03:34:21 pm
Is the Beta, that now has no expiration, fully functional?  It wouldn't let me export saying I didn't have a license.  But if it is otherwise functional, it would be worth playing with.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: superjer2000 on January 11, 2014, 08:23:26 am
I am more than happy to help out on the forums as well and also to provide a donation to keep the forums active.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: broconne on January 21, 2014, 06:48:44 pm
Another vote for open source..

Would be great if someone wanted to buy it and carry it forward commercially, but if that doesn't happen, at least John's work could live on in the community.

Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on February 04, 2014, 02:02:31 pm
+1 for open Source.
I am really dissapointed to see Elve finish. I have been using it for a number of years and found it to be without equal. I am a bit concerned as I use it at work to control a number of Elk M1 units and now I have no way of resetting the licence should something happen. Maybe it is time to allow existing users to reset their own Licences??
The licensing servers are still operating and will continue to do so until the next phase of Elve begins. Regardless of what direction Elve takes, existing customers will not be immediately stranded and a graceful transition will be attempted.

John.
 I emailed you on the 15th Jan to reset my commercial license and have sent you follow up emails and PM but have heard nothing.
Can you please reset it as per the details I have sent you. This looks very bad for the future of Elve. I reiterate as per my previous post, mabye it is time to allow commercial customers to reset their licenses. My License now has 19 days left and is responsible for fire alarms in a school so I cannot allow it to expire.
I look forward to your reply.
Title: Re: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: dvand on February 13, 2014, 10:22:27 am
Any progress?

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Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on March 04, 2014, 06:10:02 pm
I presume Elve is dead in the water. I never recieved any replies regarding my commercial license reset (despite emailing almost every day) and it expired forcing me to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: bpwwer on March 05, 2014, 10:49:58 am
I presume Elve is dead in the water. I never recieved any replies regarding my commercial license reset (despite emailing almost every day) and it expired forcing me to look elsewhere.

That's not good.   I know you put a lot of effort into the creating your system based on Elve and it won't be easy to transition that to something else.   Let us know what you end up moving to.  I've worked with other HA systems and if there's anything you need help with, let me know.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on March 05, 2014, 04:36:10 pm
I presume Elve is dead in the water. I never recieved any replies regarding my commercial license reset (despite emailing almost every day) and it expired forcing me to look elsewhere.

That's not good.   I know you put a lot of effort into the creating your system based on Elve and it won't be easy to transition that to something else.   Let us know what you end up moving to.  I've worked with other HA systems and if there's anything you need help with, let me know.
Thanks mate, will do it looks like it may be CQC for me
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: bpwwer on March 05, 2014, 04:57:50 pm
I presume Elve is dead in the water. I never recieved any replies regarding my commercial license reset (despite emailing almost every day) and it expired forcing me to look elsewhere.

That's not good.   I know you put a lot of effort into the creating your system based on Elve and it won't be easy to transition that to something else.   Let us know what you end up moving to.  I've worked with other HA systems and if there's anything you need help with, let me know.
Thanks mate, will do it looks like it may be CQC for me

That's one HA package I haven't really used  other than playing with a trial a few years back. I've heard lots of good things about CQC and it seems well supported.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Frunple on April 02, 2014, 09:01:23 am
John,
Let's get this thing open sourced so we can move forward with the development of Elve!!
We've been waiting patiently for a long time now.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iolaus on April 13, 2014, 09:36:25 am
I'd also like to request that Elve be open-sourced.  I have a driver for Xantech Digi-5 that I've completed and a couple more that are in the works.  Additionally, I'd certainly be willing to spend some time contributing code to the base product.  I think Elve still has a ton to offer and could flourish as a community project.  I also think it would be worthwhile to experiment with Elve running on linux under Mono (http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:Linux) which could massively increase its user base should it be open-sourced.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Frunple on May 26, 2014, 03:54:16 pm
Anxiously awaiting some news!!
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Automate on June 06, 2014, 12:28:05 pm
I presume Elve is dead in the water. I never recieved any replies regarding my commercial license reset (despite emailing almost every day) and it expired forcing me to look elsewhere.
Did you ever hear anything from John?
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: peadard on June 06, 2014, 01:01:33 pm

I presume Elve is dead in the water. I never recieved any replies regarding my commercial license reset (despite emailing almost every day) and it expired forcing me to look elsewhere.
Did you ever hear anything from John?

I did actually hear from John a few months later and he reset the license, he said he was still looking into the options for the future of Elve. I don't have any more info unfortunately,
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iostream212 on June 06, 2014, 01:14:10 pm
I can't transition to CQC. I really want to love it, but just can't. What else is out there? I'll hang on to hope that John will eventually transition control out, and leave the product with the capable hands of the community that cares for it so much.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Automate on June 18, 2014, 04:10:36 am
Great news about Elve 2.1.

John, hopefully you can open source at least the driver code to everyone.  I think this would be a good way to promote a strong community of developers.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Frunple on June 18, 2014, 05:38:13 am
Finally!!!
Good news!
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: bpwwer on June 18, 2014, 08:14:36 am
Good news for us users!

I know John put a huge amount of effort into making this product and I just want to thank him for allowing us to continue using it.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: hdjii on June 18, 2014, 09:55:52 am
I am happy to learn that Elve will continue. I have used it for more than three years for control of home theater components. Thanks, John.

Howard Johnson
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: superjer2000 on June 18, 2014, 08:26:12 pm
This is great news!  The only issue I would have is whether to upgrade to 2.1.  I am still running 1.5 and it is ROCK SOLID (with the exception of the email driver which hiccups every so often).

The fact that Elve wasn't a viable business is really too bad as it is an absolutely incredible piece of software.  Each time I use it to create something interesting, I am astonished that I haven't been able to exceed its limitations.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Automate on June 23, 2014, 06:30:46 am
@John,  I consider a forum and a Wiki two essential tools for good community support.  Obviously this forum contains a lot of good information the community needs.  Are you planning to continue this forum and maybe add a Wiki or is that something the community will need to provide?
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: broconne on June 24, 2014, 09:19:15 am
This is awesome news.  I look forward to the next phase of Elve.  Hopefully parts are open sourced so it can evolve.  I know I would like to help expand the HAI driver.



Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: Work2Play on June 26, 2014, 10:56:28 am
I just want to say Thank You John for keeping Elve alive.  I bought a license for HomeSeer after the news of the change and every time I tried to use it, I hated it in comparison to Elve.  I'm glad to see that Elve will stay alive - and I'm excited about the upgrade and the potential for continued development.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iolaus on July 27, 2014, 09:28:58 pm
Sorry to be so late to the party but I also wanted to express my sincere thanks to John for all of his incredible work on Elve.  I very much look forward to the future of the project and to contributing in any way that I can.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: kova4 on December 28, 2014, 10:03:03 am
Hey - been a long time user of Elve, and just upgraded to 2.1 but am unsure still of what the future holds.  What was changed in the 2.1 or the 2.2 version for that matter - what is the status of the open source? For the main code as well as the driver code? Iostream212 you seem to be the main point of contact here and seem to still have a vested interest in the product -can we gather a few of us to propose a purchase to John or even some kind of management contract?  I agree CQC blows and I really like the way John structured the system -

I truly see a future for the system and for the industry - I don't know if you've visited Best Buy lately but they now have a whole section dedicated to Home automation.  Just my 2 cents but as a to do - maybe we could start a new post of people who would be willing to have a conference call to discuss this - and to take this to the next level - 
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: John Hughes on July 13, 2015, 09:21:37 pm
... pondering open sourcing portions of the code at this point. I just don't have the time to make it completely open source compliant. :/
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iolaus on July 13, 2015, 09:59:41 pm
... pondering open sourcing portions of the code at this point. I just don't have the time to make it completely open source compliant. :/

Let me know if I can help at all.  I've got a good bit of experience setting up projects on GitHub now and would be happy to help migrate everything.

In terms of compliance, what is it that you're worried about?  Does Elve currently utilize some proprietary libraries?  If so, perhaps we could factor the integration points out into interfaces and allow the community to rebuild the missing functionality.
Title: Re: The future of Elve
Post by: iolaus on April 15, 2016, 09:47:35 pm
Hey John,

Just another plea to please consider open-sourcing Elve.  It is still a great tool and I would love to see it get the care it deserves.  I'd be happy to take on the job of deploying the source to GitHub (and removing any 3rd-party libraries if necessary).